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Near-death experiences: What really happens?

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Many reports of near-death experiences sound the same: a welcoming white light and a replay of memories. But now scientists aim to study what really happens to the brain and consciousness when someone is on the verge of dying.

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{"commentId":2900325,"authorDomain":"debmassey"}

Can't we just die in peace for goodness sake? I don't want nor do I need a guidebook, thank you! Death is death and we will all go through it at some point. Why do we have to be constantly reminded of it?

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Reply#1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":2904747,"authorDomain":"opinionsrus"}

Jeez Auzziegirl where's your sense of curiosity?

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#1.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
{"commentId":2905860,"authorDomain":"parthur169"}

Animals seem to have that last gasp at life also.

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#1.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":2907416,"authorDomain":"babyblue32"}

Wow...all this hype about near death experiences...when "I died", I just went blank. No light, no floating blissful sights, no pain and no memories. I was waiting for a liver transplant and went into organ failure. All went dark and flat, nothing there at all. What I remembered next was the sound of a nurse talking about me. I knew I was me, but, had no idea where I was or why. Slowly, my brain and body worked in sync to allow me to bring it all together again. I was so sick and so physically and mentally compromised, I had no time or inclination to analyze what had happened. Since that time (seven years) I have had no fear of death. I thank God, my surgeons, my liver donor and his family for giving me back my life.

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#1.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":2907757,"authorDomain":"sher82278"}

There is too much curiousity about the functions of the brain and its interaction with the rest of the organs and how they all function in unison, they need the technology for future cures of who knows what, the more they learn then better medical technology is down the road. it is called a race to ensure survival and not become extinct. I had a head on collision in my car doing 70 plus mph during sunset in early spring of 1979, I didnt have time to hit the brakes when a very old truck turned left right in front of me. I just remember a reply of most of my memories right before my eyes instanteously, like a camera taking a picture when you press the button. Should belts were a totally seperate seat belt back then and not required but i did have my lapbelt on, part of the underdash of the car punctured my knee and the blunt force i ate the steering wheel and had to have 4 teeth wired in and they cut through my entire lip. I was very fortunate.

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#1.4 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":2911447,"authorDomain":"lgiovenco"}

Auzziegirl,
WHY do we have to be reminded of death all the time you ask? I ask you....WHY do we have to be reminded of BIRTH all the time??? As ridiculous as that sounds, stop and think about it for a second please. Hopefully we all experience the excitement of the arrival of a child during our lives, whether it be of our own or someone else's miraculous time. Is not death documented as being just as a profound, miraculous event as birth is and hasn't this been told since almost the beginning of time? Did not archeologists find that even millions of years ago the human species has celebrated death (as well as birth) by the artifacts they have recovered? Finally, I have to tell you that what you fear the most....DEATH... is simply a word. Stay with me on this Auzziegirl. Death is as simple as walking through your bedroom door and out into your hallway. SNAP! That is how EASY and PAINLESS it is. "THE PAIN" of death is the pain that we, who are left behind to deal with the loss of a loved one feel. That is the pain of our own selfishness because of many personal reasons. Death is walking through that doorway and shedding the heavy, dense physical body is all. When we pass on, please know that your emotions and your thoughts and your actual essence is the energy that will move to better realms. Yes, you do take only those "things" with you to your REAL home which is the brightest form of energy imagined. Auzziegirl, if you have no spirituality, or have refused to accept what you already know, then may I please suggest that you take a few moments for YOURSELF and reclaim that which is already ingrained within your genetic makeup. It is there. The realization that what you call DEATH and don't want to be reminded of, is much more realistic than what you call this "life". Many spiritual blessings.

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#1.5 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:18 AM EDT
{"commentId":2934488,"authorDomain":"kgriffith11"}

Death is birth in reverse. We just go back to where we came from.

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#1.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
{"commentId":2937623,"authorDomain":"dpainting1"}

My experience was unforgettable from start to finish. I had ingested a couple grams of cocaine and was laying down on my bed looking down at myself, floating. I saw my dog looking up at me as he was barking and whimpering at my floating body. I remember all the tops of my dressers and bookshelves thinking how dusty they were. I remember thinking I was dead as a matter of fact, calming, but not ready to go just yet as if I had a choice. so I decided it wasn't time to die and in that deciding instant I was back in my body. somewhat coherent, enough to call 911and save the bag of residue for the paramedics.

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#1.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":2937980,"authorDomain":"smee73"}

I was in a pretty bad car accident, where I was pretty much destroyed - my heart stopped beating, the doctors told everyone I was probably gonna die, but I made it back to tell about it. I don't remember a thing, didn't see or feel a thing in the process, everything just faded to black. There was no grand montage of my life, no bright lights, no out of body experiences - just blackness and silence. I'm convinced this is what death is - a painless lapse into that good night. It may be different for everyone, but I am not too optimistic about anything existing after the mind and body cease.

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    #1.8 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2938835,"authorDomain":"Leesey"}

    I had a NDE almost 10 years ago. I had complications with delivering my daughter. I can say without a doubt that when you are on that "verge" you can hear and see what's going on around you and elsewhere. I knew things the doctors said I could not/should not have known. I remember being above myself on the operating table. I had the flashes of different events throughout my life like a very quick slide show. I saw the incedible light and my grandmother who I was very close to, who had passed away 12 years prior. It was one of the most peaceful events in my life, very calming. After this, I was in a coma for several months, and through all of that, the memories of that NDE were/are still so vivid. An example of this is when I saw my grandmother, I could explain to a "t" what she was wearing. When she passed, I had not gone to her viewing (I was a very young child) and had no knowledge of the clothes she was buried in. I described this to my mother afterward and she was completely overwhelmed. I had no way of knowing this but I did b/c I saw her, I talked to her. During a NDE you are not alone, you are surrounded by those who are there to help you transition, in either direction whether it be back to life or to that light not to return. I feel very blessed to have been able to experience this. People who are skeptical, please don't crack jokes or pass judgement, this is something very real and dear for those who have experienced this.

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    #1.9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2939178,"authorDomain":"LadyBugSC"}

    Seems to me that this is nothing more than a scientific study of human curiosity. Science can no more define when "life" begins than they can when "life" ends. The process is the time in between those two points. There is no one that has come back from the dead (other than Christ) to tell us what happens after death. And on the same token, no one can specifically pinpoint when life begins. These two scientific realms can be discussed to death (pardon the pun): like politics, religion, evolution, astronomy, etc., etc., etc.

    A near death experience (NDE) is just only that: near. Every individual may experience something different and their perception only a glimpse of what may - or may not - happen.

    Interesting? Yes. The final say on the matter? Absolutely not.

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    #1.10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2939515,"authorDomain":"radiantone"}

    My mother was the main participant in a UofA study on near death experiances, The documentary that came out last year is called " secrets of the soul " and is available at Blockbusters nation wide. We hear of death constantly because it is an eventual thing we all face.And the fear of the unknown ...is scary!No one lives forever!

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      #1.11 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2939849,"authorDomain":"apricot-michelle"}

      In many cultures, aside from the Western one, Death is often viewed very much as a part of life. A cycle if you wish to a new begining. For Westerners, death is viewed as the end of life...for many others...death is a doorway to a new begining.
      So being "reminded" of death only means that you have a fear of it and don't like to deal with it...whereas others are curious to find out where the journey leads them next....

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      #1.12 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2940089,"authorDomain":"jonesf89"}

      I've had a NDE at about 18 when I nearly died.

      I was in very good shape at that age and was having a heart-attack from a reaction to a drug. I was in a state of pure panic as my heart was beating so hard and fast that I thought it was going to pop out of my chest. I could tell that if this didn't stop quick that I would die. I was walking home as this was happening and was hoping it would just pass, but it didn't. I wasn't passed out though like most people when they have an NDE. I was walking while having this heart attack and all of a sudden I was floating over my body. An OBE, Out of Body Experience. This lasted for several minutes while I was walking. Or to be more exact my body was walking. I was still connected to it I through my mind or some other mechanisms. I was in control over it just as anyone is when they are located within their bodies. No difference expect viewpoint.

      At the moment I had my OBE, Out of Body Experience, if felt a tremendous physical calm that is not possible when in a body. I didn't feel physical pain, hunger, anxiety, etc.. Another interesting thing was that it was dark out and I was able to see everything quite bright. I was also able to see in more than one direction at once as opposed to the eye's of our body which is like having "horseblinders" on. It was the most surreal and vivid experience you could ever imagine and hope I'm giving you just a tiny bit of what it was like. The human body really does hold you back in many ways and when you seperate from your body through an OBE or death you'll realize that.

      Anyone, scientists included, who say that their is not such thing as life after death, or that a human being is only his body or that everything can be discovered by looking at the brain, is really lacking knowledge and reality on this subject. Look at what the University of Arizona, Veritas Program, has already come up with on this subject. They've validated these experiences for years while the material scientists have turned a blind eye to the most fascinating and exciting discoveries man has ever made. Not only have they turned a blind-eye to it, they've excommunicated scientists who dare question their authority on this subject.

      You are not your body, you are a spirit and you don't have a spirit, you are a spirit. Your body is just a tool that you use in this game of life. You are also seperate from your mind which is important to note. Your body means 0 in the grand sceme of things because you will drop this body once it's served its function and you will eventually pick up another one in the future and another game begins.

      If you want to talk to me directly about my experience feel free to email me at jonesf89@yahoo.com. I intend to create a website on this subject and would like to hear from others who have had similar experiences so that the world can hear their story also. I think we can teach the world a lot about themselves through our own experiences and have every intention on educating the public as best as I could on the most exciting news they could possibly ever hear. That they and their loved ones are immortal.

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      #1.13 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2941129,"authorDomain":"dcloutier"}

      Auzziegirl:
      You couldn't be more wrong about death and most of us who have experienced a NDE seem to know that death is nothing to fear. If more people could know what death is like, I think they would try to make more of their time alive... To cherish the time they have and live so that they have no regrets. (are you hearing this "proudconservative"???)

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        #1.14 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2941530,"authorDomain":"jonesf89"}

        This video is incredible proof of reincarnation. It was done by ABC's Primetime.

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          #1.15 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2941609,"authorDomain":"jonesf89"}

          This websites removes weblinks when you try to post them. Go to Youtube and search for Reincarnation, Primetime. You'll find one of the best investigations into reincarnation you'll find out there that just lays it out for you.

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            #1.16 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2945353,"authorDomain":"Emy14CW"}

            reincarnation is only a thing of make believe there is heaven and hell no second chance to live life you must accept Christ and live for god then you do not need to know what the brain is doing in death god will take care of you!
            my mom dyed and came back during her last child birth and she dose not want to know what happens to the brain all this test is doing is trying to become god and that is WRONG!

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            #1.17 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2946011,"authorDomain":"rompertt"}

            People sometimes think there is reincarnation. Because they remember "being" someone else at some point in time. But, in fact, it is only that sometime in your "daydreaming" or "night-dreaming" or unconsciousness, that you enter into the collective unconscious. There you will experience what others lives have been, mostly in some partial way. Some people enter in and out of it. Everyone who has ever lived has experiences that are accessible to all of us in the state of unconscious, or dreaming. That's why its called the "collective" unconscious. When "there", we can access the lives of everyone who has ever lived. If you access a certain person's life, eg. John Kennedy, you may be so "in touch" with his thoughts and experiences that you identify with them as though they happened to you. This can make you think that you were actually John Kennedy. Perhaps if at another time you were "in sync" with someone else, eg. Mark Twain, you may think that you were he before you were John Kennedy and that you were born again in your own body now.

            The collective unconscious is an interesting place. But it's best not to stay there too long. One can become "many people" and end up in a mental institution. Understanding the concept of the collective unconscious can help us to remain balanced while tapping into the information that has been collected before us by so many others. It gives us a sense of being one with all persons who have ever lived. It gives us an appreciation of the learning they have left us and the experiences that they have had. It also gives us the opportunity to make up for the wrongs they did in this life before we came along, to make amends, and to understand both good and evil much better.
            In reality, we are all one body. Christ is our head.

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              #1.18 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2946127,"authorDomain":"audreysmith04"}

              Dear I don't think so,

              So may i ask you have you seen God and Heaven and Hell? Sounds like that could be make believe too?

              Ever think of that or are you so closed minded to think you and your Christ are the only thing that exists on this amazingly huge earth?

              If you disagree, then please explain why reincarnation is so wrong and I don't remember the article implying they were trying to be God. I am pretty sure it was a scientific study. Meaning that they do many tests and check results and then analyze data.

              And by the way, you know scientific studies are used to decide whether certain drugs are safe for people, which drugs probably helped save your mom's life!

              So can you tell me how you know that your belief is right? If not then please do us a favor and post a more intelligent and more proving reasons then just an opinion that's probably not even yours.

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              #1.19 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2946912,"authorDomain":"rompertt"}

              Audrey, were you responding to me?
              If so I don't know what you are referring to. None of what you said comes out of
              what I wrote. I'm glad, young lady, that you think.
              Keep on thinking.

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                #1.20 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:11 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2959680,"authorDomain":"debmassey"}

                Connie, thank you for taking the time to talk to me. What you said was very enlightening. Hopefully, when the time comes, it will be as you say. I have a spiritual side but have not experienced the pain of death of a loved one in my adult life. My step-grandmother died when I was 19. It was an incredibly emotional time...the pain...as you say! I loved her dearly, and she died unexpectedly, from a gust of wind that took a storm door out of her hand on Christmas Day (ironic) and tore her inside...only it was too late when they finally got her to the hospital. I was devastated. She was the kindest person I have ever known. Unfortunately, her son (my step-dad) is not like her in any way, shape or form. Thank you again, for taking the time...

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                  #1.21 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2969118,"authorDomain":"lyla"}

                  I have spent quite some time reading your very interesting and very beautiful stories and experiences. I pose a very solemn question to you all who have had these NDEs...My first love (old boyfriend) is literally on his death bed in hospice from Pancreatic cancer. When I was called by my best friend, his sister-in-law, after some conversation and shock, I asked if he believed in God. She sadly said that he had become an aetheist and that she did not know how to broach the subject with him. Evidently his mom has tried and in his weak state he's dismissed the conversation. I got the opportunity to speak to him breifly over the phone and I guess say my goodbyes. I feel like I lost my chance to say SOMETHING to make him think but he asked me to call again and therefore I ask any/all you who KNOW...help me, give me some words that will at least spark the thought process for him. He's unmarried and never had kids so I can't relate to that in anyway but I would sure appreciate something.

                  PS the story about the man who died from the jelly fish bite is very comforting but I just don't know what to say. Maybe you'll even tell ME that he'll be ok...

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                  #1.22 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":2969738,"authorDomain":"b-doyle"}

                  OK - I have to share this.
                  My wife was very ill with diabetes, ESRD (kidneys) and eventually coronary disease. A number of times she would go into a coma and come back. After one of those times I asked her what it was like. She said it was black, nothing there. It made her/us think that there is nothing there on the other side. So, 3 years ago she lost the battle to a heart attack. We had her cremated.

                  Flash forward to this past February. I went to India to a friend's wedding (thats a whole other story) and brough a little baggie of her ashes. I poured them into the Ganges River, floated a little devotional shrine and said a few prayers. When I got back to the US about a week later, I went to pick up my 3 yr old grandson for a play date and, when my daughter answered the door, she said the boy had a dream. He came out of his room and said 'Grandma's all wet.'

                  I almost fell over. My daughter knew I was in India, but she didn't know I had the ashes or that I had put them in the river. The boy was 8 mos old when she died. How do you explain this?

                  The only thing I can come up with is that she visited him from the afterlife and let him know what I had done. I guess that means there is something on the other side. At least thats what I will believe now.

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                  #1.23 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":2969957,"authorDomain":"littlefish"}

                  you're a lucky man!

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                    #1.24 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2970013,"authorDomain":"snowangel236"}

                    When my aunt was little she woke up in the middle of the night screaming. Her parents took her to the hospital, and she had such a severe Brain tumor that they had to operate immediately. She was only a kid, and she died on the operating table for five minutes. She recalls not only seeing a light, but being welcomed into heaven. She described relatives that she had never even been told about, and when she was revived, she awoke screaming and yelling because she didn't want to leave. Til this day, she tells stories about it, and has a very deep faith in God, as she did when she was little. Because of the tumor she suffers from handicaps, but she is still one of the most amazing people that I know. You can make up any "scientific" explanation that you want, but when she died, she experienced a part of heaven. And if that isn't enough to give you peace about death, I don't know what is.

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                      #1.25 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":2971274,"authorDomain":"eemaansiddiqi"}

                      I 'died' earlier this year and twice. I was having a baby and it was to be induced. It was a normal vaginal delivery but right after our baby girl came out, I felt as if I was going to faint and liquid was gushing out of me at a very fast speed. The nurses checked and immediately called the doctor/surgeon back. By the time he came (maybe 3-5 minutes later) I had lost more than five litres of blood (which was the liquid) I was told. I don't remember what happened after that. It was three days later when I gained consciousness and saw that I was on the ventilator and other life supporting aids in the ICU. My first question was of course regarding my baby girl who I was told was fine. The doctors explained to me that I went into DIC blood(death is coming is the non scientific term for it) and I was very lucky to be alive as they had lost me twice in the OR. They told me that it was a miracle that I was alive. Yes, I was cut up all across my belly and very uglily as the medical staff had to do an emergency surgery and had no time to make it pretty. Also they had to do another surgery shortly after. I had a hysterectomy done and that was the minor thing as yes, the medical staff kept telling me how lucky I was to be alive. The only thing I remember of the experience while being unconscious is that I was with my father who died two years ago. Upon waking up, the best thing was that my dear husband was by my side.

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                        #1.26 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2972487,"authorDomain":"shelbers85"}

                        I am a 23 year old college student / single mother.

                        I was in a terrible car accident a couple of years ago and was pronounced dead at the scene. I don't remember the accident - how it happened - or anything. I don't know how I came back to life. I was pronounced dead. My daughter was in the back seat of the car, but I was the only one hurt.

                        When I came back to life (started breathing again), I was combative so I was given a shot to put me into coma, then put in a helicopter and life-flighted [from the mountains of central CA down to LA] to have multiple surgeries. I came out of the coma ten days later, thinking it was the same day and had no idea what had happened or where I was in the whole world. The doctor asked me to guess what had happened to me and I guessed I was in a plane crash. I didn't know anything; it was like I was born again.

                        A couple days after I had become awake and aware, I fell into a deep sleep where I heard a voice speaking to me. I didn't recognize the voice as anyone I knew. It sounded like both a man and a woman in one. It was whispering, but shook louder than thunder. It said, "Do not be afraid," "I am taking care of you," "You're gonna get better." So I thought it was my mom or dad talking to me, or maybe even a nurse, but no one was anywhere to be found when I woke up. The next day, at the same time of day, the Voice came back and we were having a conversation for a good amount of time, but I don't remember what that conversation was about, but I know we were talking about deep stuff. Anyways, I DO remember the last thing it said, the closing statement (it was the SAME Voice): "I have a GRRRRREEEEAAAAAATT plan for your future!!!" :-) That's when I knew this was God - my Maker.

                        My healing was quick and miraculous. My whole life is changed.

                        Speaking of "out-of-body" experiences, I have had a couple of those since the accident. One was in a dream, (I was walking around my house and there was some weird @!$%# going on), the other was when I was listening to music (Aradhna) laying down in my bed, and my arms stretched really long all the way past the sky up into heaven, :)That was awesome.

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                          #1.27 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2972844,"authorDomain":"celestialovertones"}

                          I had a Near Death Experience. I was actually dead for 22 minutes. I went into the light and had a long conversation with many Angels. So, any idea or notion that there is a chemical imbalance of the brain during an NDE is absurd. It is and they are very real.

                          Mark Patterson thegodtone

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                            #1.28 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2973378,"authorDomain":"williamprice388"}

                            This is a poem that I wrote after falling asleep and having this dream. I do not know if I stopped breathing in my sleep or if it was just a dream but I remembered the dream and colors so well

                            My Trip To Heaven

                            My trip to heaven, happened this day
                            I went to sleep, then passed away
                            Darkness came, darker than the night
                            Two dark figures appeared Guiding me to this light
                            As I entered this light, I seen this amazing and incredible sight
                            An entire city with the beautiful intensity of colors my mind could never conceive Yellow oranges and turquoise- red trees
                            Emerald waters and silver-violet bees
                            I knew this creation could only be Only from god, only thee
                            A figure touched my shoulder I knew this moment was about to end
                            So I followed this figure to start my journey back again
                            As my spirit reentered my body
                            I was in a hospital room, with my family holding me tight
                            My eyes opened and I regained my sight
                            I told them, my trip to heaven was a blessing to me
                            This place is where all people shall be

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                            #1.29 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2973786,"authorDomain":"nickhar2005"}

                            What can I do to cause near death experiences and out of body experiences?

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                            #1.30 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2974106,"authorDomain":"leoonmtevans"}

                            MESSAGE FOR WILLIAM PRICE:

                            AN AMAZING POEM YOU HAVE WRITTEN THERE! BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES.

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                              #1.31 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2974387,"authorDomain":"transfer"}

                              Why do we have to be constantly reminded of it?

                              It's a time value of money issue.

                              Churches like to have their sweet cash up front and reminding people of death is their marketing push. Instead of "Got Milk?" it should be "Fork it over."

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                              #1.32 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2974425,"authorDomain":"fepreston"}

                              I agree with you. Death is death. That is what the Bible teaches. People who supposedly had near death experiences were never dead. There is clinical death and biological death. Its a long story but very simple. Satan has been trying to prove that the we cant die from the beginning of time. He wants us to continue to think you can communicate with the dead. I f you know your Bible You will learn that the dead knows nothing. We are only permitted to die once....physically. In death the thoughts perish...is what the Bible says. If anyone wants to know more just ask me. Its really very simple. But Satan wants people to continue to believe in falsehood because in the end he can deceive a person who believes that way more easily. Especially through Spiritualism..In the Bible death is referred to as sleep throughout. It is only a reverse of God creating us.

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                              #1.33 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2974542,"authorDomain":"nawdc0"}

                              I felt the same way when I woke up at the hospital after my near-death experience.... no white light, nothing... no calmness... just out like a light switch... this was when i was 8. Then one day my friends and i went to see Mike Mendel (Howie's brother) and he does stage shows and hypnotizes people. I was one of the participants... I had a blast, but when I got home I started "seeing" things.

                              Make a long story short, that event horizon as it were, triggered memories... if you can call them that of an experience where i was standing in a dark room looking down at my body and i could see a silver light where my heart would normally be and i was invisible.

                              I was at complete peace and a voice asked me if i wanted to go forward or go back... and at age 8 I thought of my mother and asked to go back and I remember waking up in the hospital.

                              You can argue hypnosis plays with your mind... with your imagination... it does things to you that can trigger false positives. So there is no definitive proof I can give you except to say that it is my belief that it was very much real... I was there and a part of me still is there. So this is going to have to be a personal choice for you -- do you have the faith to believe in life after death? If not, what can you lose?

                              FYI... my interpretation of what I heard, without seeing him, I knew it was Christ... at age 8 I did not know what that would mean to me in the years to come. For you it could be Buddha, Mohamed and I don't know if that is the case, but as for myself… at age 8, I embraced the Christian faith.

                              If you died and came back, you have been given a gift to become the person you were meant to be. That places upon you a responsibility to become a better person by helping others grow.

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                                #1.34 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2976155,"authorDomain":"harvard-lozer"}

                                I had a NDE and I have no fear of death at all now. It was wonderful and everything was magnified in beauty and love like nothing on this earth. Music, flowers, fragrances were amazing and yes beings walked about in white robes. A giant God sat on a throne, his face was all radiant light and warmth and love. I didnt see facial feature the light was like the sun. Not like anything humans ever experience...it was awesome!! Believe it's true, heaven exists...for some of us...you others better rethink your life and actions while you can.

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                                  #1.35 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2976787,"authorDomain":"wolfsoul-60"}

                                  i am here to say it is true. i have had many nde, two from a car accidents and many from sleep apnea.been to a sleep center twice and now have a c-pap machine that keeps me breathing at night when i fail to breath on my own for up to 2 minutes no breahing and the reaper is not to be feared. he is there to ward off intruders of the evil entities that are out there when u do die for a brief moment.i was sent back many times. one time i was so far into being gone for good. i did not want to come back i was fighting the force that was forcing me back down into my body, like transidental meditation. it is better to just die.death is death and i fear not for me but for my children i was about to leave.with out my machine i stop breathing 20 times in one hour for up to 2 minutes of no breathing. some times i purposely do not use my machine so i can feel the tranquility of death.must always come back whether i want to or not. when it is truly your time you will go.it is wonderful and science can not take away what god has given us when we leave this plain to go to the master of all spirits. thank you , wolfsoul ani-yunwiya

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                                    #1.36 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2977799,"authorDomain":"mazel-tom"}

                                    My sister was dying of cancer and we put a hospital bed in the living room. As the end neared she kept reaching out as if to take someones hand or embrace someone unseen. I like to think that the angels or loved ones were welcoming her to the other side.

                                    Her death was peaceful, I no longer fear death.

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                                      #1.37 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2978647,"authorDomain":"gillcarbide"}

                                      NDEs are also Out-of-Body experiences that can be achieved in Altered States. They are not at all evidence of reincarnation. Altered States, once experienced, reaffirms what some have said in this discussion, we are not our bodies, there is a part of us that operates this body. The body is, rather, a biological machine, that the eternal part of us operates like a driver drives a car. We can, with great difficulty, through Altered States or NDEs or mind-altering drugs, get out of the driver's seat. Only people who have experienced this can relate to it.

                                      However, there also is a God, and the fate of our "driver" will be in His hands once we "leave the car". Trust me, you do not want to leave your car (your biological machine body) without the attention of Jesus Christ. His sole intention is to save your soul, that which is separate from your body and is the real you inside. And He does exist. And He wants to be there for you. He even died 2000 years ago to strike a bargain with the universe so He could save you.

                                      If you think, once you leave your body, you will just flutter around the cosmos until you find another body to inhabit in another life, you are quite wrong. At least think about it.

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                                        #1.38 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":2978881,"authorDomain":"robertevans55"}

                                        we all will die in peace on 4/7of 08 i died 5 times in one night from my heart stopping,no bright lights just gone ,completely dead heart lungs and brain shut down ,shocked back 5 times ,with no memoir of any thing until i woke up the next day didn't even remember going to the hospital .no Bright light or reply of any part of my life just dead

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                                          #1.39 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2979060,"authorDomain":"auntiegrama"}

                                          Oh, come on! We all begin dying at the exact moment of birth. It is the ONLY thing that is required of us in life. Sure, we have rules to live by, but all we really have to do is die.

                                          I had a major heart attack at the age of 42 - I felt perfectly healthy, no history of any problems. I was clinically dead for 6 1/2 minutes. No light - no nothing. I used to feel left out. Now I am just happy to wake up every morning.

                                          I am currently healthier than I have ever been and have a lot of fun making my family attempt to keep up!

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                                            #1.40 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":2982061,"authorDomain":"suzannesullivan44"}

                                            my near death wasn't black. it was comical. before i even made it to intensive care on my way to not seeing the next day, my dad came wafting thru the window and winnowed his way to my left ear where apparently all angels come to whisper. He stayed for ten days, breathing, "that's alright". sounding like the old sizzler commercial, very monotone, and tho comforting at first, his voice was a little too raspy and eventually became annoying. ok, i heard you already. and why did you come thru the window? and why don't you change it up a bit, as in "it's alright, susie, my darling daughter. i bring you peace." nope. once my brother called and the intensive care nurse cradle the phone to my right ear-nice change of pace-and i said, "sorry, craig. can't talk right now. i'm talking with daddy." and he said, "well, that's all well and fine, but if he asks you to go with him, say no."

                                            as i lay dying, i thought the intensive care desk was a diner in brooklyn. the nurses buzzing around the counter to serve up sodas, tho they turned out to be blood transfusions.

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                                              #1.41 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2988199,"authorDomain":"justusisback"}

                                              Auzziegirl, I am also a published author. Death is Death, but a near Death is different. It is real, a chance to come back to life. I had 12 of them, after a serious accident. I was crippled for the rest of my life as told by the doctors. I went through the tunnel over and over, all the way back to dust, the very creation of all of us. On the 12th one I died at a hospital, when I came back, I was different, spirit takeover had taken place as I was up there looking down at me , an Indian took my body over. I was then healed , tests were done , the doctors could not understand. The 3 bad discs in my back, nerve damage to my leg was now all gone. Years later as I was writing a book , I had 3 heart attacks. As the doctor was doing a cath. The bells and red lights went off in the O.R.my blood pressure went down to 20, I was dieing. When I came back the doctor was more shook up than me. He put his hand on my shoulder, still upset, he said in his 18 years as a heart surgeon, he never experienced what happened. When his team brought me back, he did the cath, my heart and everything else was now fine, impossible he said, but it happened. You are no longer a heart patient, God looks over you. He is also the chief of staff at one of the largest hospitals in Fl. Weeks later, I published my first book- Justus The Chosen One. After my near deaths in 1995, I gave up my old life of having it all and began to travel the east coast with a gift I was given from God, the gift of being used to heal others. Every place I was sent, people were sick or in pain, they take my hand, I get sick , they get well and number in the hundreds. I have never charged one dime, it is not me, I am used as a messenger sent back to help others. Today, the gift continues on and gets stronger every day. Aids, Cancer, any pain, it goes away, as people take my hand they feel heat and energy, they get well, a gift from God . Recently I became very sick, every single test was done , they could not understand, I was in perfect health, I am 56 , smoke and drink. What happened is I was burned out from helping so many people and needed rest. Near Deaths are very real, when I came back, I received priceless gifts to be used in the right way. Look forward to hearing from you and anyone.
                                              Justus is back

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                                                #1.42 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":2901290,"authorDomain":"jjybrodeur"}

                                                Yes I had a near-death and all I will say is that my life did flash before my eyes including memories of when I was very young. And since that day I have not feared death since I know we do go to a better place and I cherish my time left here.

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                                                Reply#2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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                                                {"commentId":2902247,"authorDomain":"zoe-985"}

                                                It just the brain playing tricks.. Once you're dead, you're dead and for good.

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                                                Reply#3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2905344,"authorDomain":"bradewalton"}

                                                and you know this how?

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                                                • 9 votes
                                                #3.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2907450,"authorDomain":"carson-1"}

                                                Get a clue. When multiple "dead people" report specific detail of activity performed by people in the room or scene of death that are confirmed to be specific and accurately true, this is no hallucination or trick of the brain.

                                                The brain cannot create objective reality for one and all at the scene..

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                                                #3.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2908622,"authorDomain":"namelessinto"}

                                                I totally agree, when you are dead you are dead.
                                                No bright lights, no next life, No God.
                                                I died on the table having stents put in after a heart attack,This is first hand knowledge.
                                                I faded out , later heard a loud bang like a shotgun ( from being shocked with paddles )
                                                then slowly came back not knowing what happened or that I died.
                                                The bright light , life flash before my eyes people are suffering from lack of oxegen to
                                                the brain and seeing things much like when you get stoned on drugs.
                                                It's a nice thought , the afterlife and all, but when you die for good - Games over

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                                                #3.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2908948,"authorDomain":"namelessinto"}

                                                After reading through much of these comments , most of the people with the life flash and other such types of experiences are all "near death "meaning their
                                                brains are still functional even if not fully aware of it.They didn't actually die.
                                                Leaving much room for stories although I have no doubt some people actually do believe themselves that this happened to them.
                                                Even the nurses comments about seeing 500 people "die" with experiences like this
                                                does not give true answers as again they were brain functional as they were dying.
                                                and they didn't come back to confirm.

                                                While the topic is actually "Near Death Experience " The only true answers can come
                                                from people like myself who actually died and came back.
                                                Not to be rude, but it doesn't matter how close you came , What matters is you did die and returned to talk about it.

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                                                #3.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2918179,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}
                                                when you are dead you are dead.

                                                Except that you weren't, were you? You came back.

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                                                #3.5 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2934484,"authorDomain":"seancanputt"}

                                                Just how exactly do you know this? Mr/Mrs Doubting Thomas? Do you know something the other 6 billion of us don't know?

                                                In an autopsy - when all the essential organs are removed - what does love look like when it is removed? What is it you say? Love is not there? I beg to differ. Despite not seeing it - one feels the pain and joy of love as equally as they feel a broken wrist or chest pains, or a migraine headache.

                                                If love is not present - yet can be felt - where does it go?
                                                My guess is we go to the same place where love goes.

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                                                • 3 votes
                                                #3.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2936254,"authorDomain":"proudconservative"}

                                                Hopfully for the sake of mankind, proud liberal is right and that all the liberals just cease to exist...that would be heaven!

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                                                  #3.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2938149,"authorDomain":"bucinka8"}

                                                  Was this snarkiness really necessary?

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                                                  #3.8 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2944575,"authorDomain":"ingisme"}

                                                  dear proudliberal..sadly if that is what you truly believe, then you are already dead.

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                                                  #3.9 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2946118,"authorDomain":"mattxkim"}

                                                  Tood H, You didn't have a NDE. You had a cardiac arrest. Did you not read the article? Cardiac arrest doesn't mean you died. Unless your brain shut down as well as your lungs simultaneously. From learning combatives, I've been choked out many times. Choked out meaning having someone choke you till you pass out. So if not breathing is one of the criterias of death, was I having a NDE everytime I got choked out? No. Everytime I got choked everything faded to black, without thoughts or feelings. Same as what most of these people experienced. But it still is not a NDE. "The bright light , life flash before my eyes people are suffering from lack of oxegen to
                                                  the brain and seeing things much like when you get stoned on drugs." Are you a doctor? That comment is just absurd. So please stop talking as if you've had first hand experience. Because you haven't. "The only true answers can come
                                                  from people like myself who actually died and came back." That was ignorant.

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                                                    #3.10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2970265,"authorDomain":"littlefish"}

                                                    naive question: if one believes in "dead is dead", one will be dead?
                                                    similar question, if one says it out loud, leave me alone and don't care about me! one will not be taken care of?

                                                    I have no idea about this. I tend to believe not though.

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                                                      #3.11 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2974573,"authorDomain":"transfer"}

                                                      my 2 cents,

                                                      The process of death and what occurs after is a mystery and shall remain one. The more imprtant mystery to be explored is how to live in a manner that exudes compassion for all life.

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                                                      #3.12 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2998813,"authorDomain":"PaulDuffy"}

                                                      How can anyone believe this LOAD w/thout suffering from severe depression? There's something disconnected inside your head. Quick............call the paramedics; I think your brain may be playing tricks on you! Are you trying to say that if we all reduce ourselves to the most common denominator we are all just brains; that we all amount to no more than heaps and piles of gray, wobbly, jelletin, waterlogged, neurotic brain matter? Hmmm.......I always kind of thought of my brain as like a computer joystick for the real me (the spiritual me) to use to operate my body. But you're inferring that I'm nothing more than a brain, and that I play tricks on myself at the moment of death? You don't believe in other dimensions, I bet, either do you, or the theory of relativity, or quantum physics? Not that physics has much to really do with spirituality, but science is always saying that there's more going on than meets the eye. You must be the type that only believes what you can hear, see, feel, or smell, or taste. What if you could do none of those bodily operations? Would you still be alive, or would you just be more disconnected than you already are? Wake up man! The only thing that's really real here is the OPERATOR of the gray, neurotic mass of over amped sells that you believe your self to be. Everything else IS AN ILLUSION BROUGHT ON BY THE OVER CONSUMPTION OF THE ILLUSION OF TO MUCH OXYGEN!!! DEATH AND LIFE ARE TRANSITORY EFFECTS................................................... OR AFFECTS IN YOUR CASE. ask the question

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                                                        #3.13 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:25 AM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":2902408,"authorDomain":"dmbasford"}

                                                        I was "coded" 4 times in the ICU - they had to restart my heart with the paddles. I floated above my bed and watched with detached and calm curiousity. I could also see my family huddled and crying in a nearby waiting room. I was very calm and wondered why everyone was so upset.

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                                                        Reply#4 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2908345,"authorDomain":"iamwright44"}

                                                        That is the EXACT same thing that happened to me! I was floating above my body looking down at myself and the Doctors working on me to bring me back, I wasn't sad or scared in fact I have NEVER felt such peace, it was so beautiful, I am not afraid to die now. I wish I could feel that kind of peace in my living life.

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                                                        #4.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2914695,"authorDomain":"sjl4evr"}

                                                        I also coded 4 times. 2 of them I remember, the others I was told of. I never saw all of the stuff people report. I think it's because I knew I wasn't going to die, and I was extremely furious at my body for being so weak. I wonder if the anger had something to do with why I survived. I saw a show in which a girl reported being angry at that time as well. She wasn't supposed to make it either and that made her angry.

                                                        What does the emotion of anger do to the physiologic response of the body? The others that have commented, do you remember any anger at anytime during your episodes? I think I am most fascinated by HOW and WHY I survived, when I had literally than less than 1 % chance of it. (I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that medical science doesn't know what to make of me.)

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                                                        #4.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2926610,"authorDomain":"katrina-stebbins"}

                                                        This happened to me as well. I was able to see those below me and watch the team of doctors and nurses working on me. I was then drawn to a tree lined tunnel with a bright light . My brother and I were hit by a drunk driver when walking. I held my brother's hand when going toward the light. My great grandmother who had died several years before was sitting on a rock to our left. She reached for my brother's hand and took it from me. I tried to go with them, but she told me it wasn't my time and o go back. At that moment I was aware of being back in my body and in a lotof pain with my family around me. (I later learned that my brother had died) I feel that I was lucky to be able to escort my brother (age 6) to heaven and hand him over to my great grandma so he wouldn't be afraid. (I was 14 at the time. I have been pronounced dead twice now (separate times) and have no fear or doubt of life after death in heaven with God. I am also comforted knowing that I will be joined with love ones again some day.

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                                                        #4.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":2902682,"authorDomain":"babin"}

                                                        When I was 12 I drowned and was declared dead for 4min. before being revived.

                                                        During this time I not only 'relived' past memories in a very fast flash but also saw myself but felt no sadness.

                                                        I understood my families pain as they watched dr's fighting to save me but understood it was a positive change. Then I kind of got 'sucked' back into myself and woke up slowly, with one hell of a headache from the drowning but other than that I remembered everything.

                                                        There was a brief flash of light before I went back into my body but I seemed to feel myself pulling away from it. Like I wasn't ready.

                                                        It was then that I realized we are all ruled by a flying spaghetti monster that wants us to donate large percentages of our income to his non-profits and wear big shiny hats while people kiss our rings. I'm the pope.

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                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        Reply#5 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2905330,"authorDomain":"bradewalton"}

                                                        I agree with your pope comment and giving your money away. God, whether male female, or a big fat buddha doesn't need our money. Is your story real, this is really a place for commenting on NDE?

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                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #5.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2907327,"authorDomain":"gpd113"}

                                                        You died for 4 minutes from drowning and there were doctors present..............Curious.

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                                                        #5.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2946206,"authorDomain":"charleesjimd"}

                                                        GO BABIN!!!! You ROCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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                                                          #5.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":2946606,"authorDomain":"malehandler"}

                                                          Babin, I love your style! You actually made me laugh out loud. Keep up the good work.

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                                                            #5.4 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2946629,"authorDomain":"malehandler"}

                                                            Babin, I love your style! You actually made me laugh out loud. Keep up the good work.

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                                                              #5.5 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":2946663,"authorDomain":"Pastafarian"}

                                                              R'amen brother babin! All bow down to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May you all be touched by His noodly appendages and feel the warmth of His noodly embrace. Pasta be upon you.

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                                                              #5.6 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":2974567,"authorDomain":"fepreston"}

                                                              please read my comment on this subject

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                                                                #5.7 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2975177,"authorDomain":"transfer"}

                                                                Babin,

                                                                I'm furiously writing my check to you! PO box?

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                                                                #5.8 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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                                                                {"commentId":2903078,"authorDomain":"MaryM"}

                                                                Oh well. So few comments and yet such a variety of attitudes. It does interest me, and I don't believe that we just wink out. Natural death takes time and is preferable to sudden death, in my opinion. I was present during the several weeks of terminal cancer with my mom and she was calm and sweet natured through it all. She was very fortunate not to have much pain, of course. I might feel differently about natural death if she had been in agony for those weeks.

                                                                At times she spoke to relatives who had died years before yet when I would ask if they were here she would say, "no." It was as though she was living on two planes at once and gradually passing over to one that we don't know yet.

                                                                Considering the complexity of consciousness, it is hard to believe that it is generated solely by the brain. I am more inclined to believe that consciousness of a sort is running the body rather than the other way around.

                                                                I really would like to hear people's stories of near death experiences and I hope others will be respectful. You can't know until you experience it yourself so blunt criticism can't be justified. It may well be an illusion created by the brain but that does not invalidate the experience in any way. The experience is as real as any other regardless of what we believe causes it.

                                                                I have "nearly died" according to doctors many times but was not privileged to have a near death experience or a vision of the operating room. I'm jealous.

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                                                                Reply#6 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2903851,"authorDomain":"babin"}
                                                                I have "nearly died" according to doctors many times but was not privileged to have a near death experience or a vision of the operating room. I'm jealous.

                                                                Keep trying. If at first your don't suceed!

                                                                jokes.

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                                                                #6.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2908838,"authorDomain":"eatmorehay"}

                                                                I have also been Blessed to be allowed to be present with both of my parents when they died. My mother had cancer and my father had emphysema. They died within 3 weeks of each other. My father was an only child, born out of wedlock, and had never met or known his father. He also greeted people , shook hands that we could not see, and sat straight up to inform us that he had met his father and that his father had told him that he loved him. He then sang" I'll Fly Away," and he did , at 4:50am the next morning.

                                                                My mother talked to people that we couldn't see for about 2 weeks before her death. Within 8 hours of their last breaths, I asked them to tell me what they saw. My father opened his eyes, shook his head no, and said " I can't". Once you experience this you have no fear of death or any unanswered questions about whether there is a Heaven or Hell.

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                                                                #6.2 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":2909024,"authorDomain":"eatmorehay"}

                                                                I have also had a NDE. I jumped from a speeding car. I remember floating , feeling a faint breeze, while I looked down at my body. A truck driver was kneeling over me . I felt so relaxed and at peace. I could see the 18 wheeler and all the lights that were blinking. The next thing I remember is being in the ER and the nurses cutting my clothes off.

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                                                                  #6.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":2910913,"authorDomain":"MaryM"}

                                                                  Love it, Babin! I'm not in a hurry but I do look forward to experiencing it for myself.

                                                                  Darlene, I am pleased that you also felt blessed to be present when your parents died. I felt that it was such a gift. I do remember the surprised expression on someone's face when they offered their condolences and I blurted, "I wouldn't have missed it for the world!" I have been told the same thing by others who have been present at a natural death and it is not what I expected at all. When I was a child and teenager I was sure that being present when someone died, or even seeing a dead body, would be a horrifying experience.

                                                                  I've read all of the posts and I'm so glad that people are being respectful and not ridiculing the people who have had experiences. One thing I know for certain is that I don't know anything for certain. I'm confident that things are as they should be and that when it is time for me to know what happens when we die I will find out without fear.

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                                                                    #6.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:16 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":2912686,"authorDomain":"kimr77"}

                                                                    Darlene...

                                                                    "My mother talked to people that we couldn't see for about 2 weeks before her death. Within 8 hours of their last breaths, I asked them to tell me what they saw. My father opened his eyes, shook his head no, and said " I can't". Once you experience this you have no fear of death or any unanswered questions about whether there is a Heaven or Hell."

                                                                    I think during the natural dying process, the "veil" between this dimension of life on earth,
                                                                    and the spiritual dimension of the afterlife, becomes "thinner", and we kinda reside in both dimensions for a time. Also, concerning your NDE...it could be that you just do not remember some of the "happenings" or "feelings" between when you saw the truck's lights, and felt peaceful, and then being in the ER. Sometimes, some of it will come back to you in your dreams, maybe, too...when your consciousness is not so active in filtering out what your brain has put in the place of things that it cannot process. Does that make sense? One of the reasons that people have such a difficult time explaining death experiences, and they can sound so different that some people disregard the validity of them, is because we really do not have adequate words in our languages to describe heaven and the after-life, and there is not time there...just "being", so to try to explain something in terms of our dimension that is not from our dimension is very difficult. And I believe the "loving part" of us, joins with the loving part of all the saints before us, with God. If we allow the "loving" part of us (our Holy Spirit, I call it) to be completely extinguished while here on earth, then hell is just complete separation from God and love in our afterlife...nothingness...there is nothing to go to heaven, I think. Thats what we mean by "God knows the heart". I am not sure if this explains what I am trying to say very well, but thats how it seems to me.

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                                                                    #6.5 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":2933532,"authorDomain":"tringa515"}

                                                                    I had an out of body experience shortly after heart surgery. I was looking down at my body from above and listening to the doctor and nurses talk as they were trying to bring me back. I watched the doctor open my chest back up and was amazed to see him clip my arteries from my heart and put me on a heart/lung machine. I felt no pain, just a sense of wonder at what I was seeing. I turned around (over?) and saw people that I knew were dead...everyone was smiling, I saw my father and he held my hand briefly and then let go and told me I needed to go back. I didn't want to go. I heard a loud noise like a shot gun maybe and I was back in my body in ICU in awful pain. I have never experienced anything like that, not afraid of dying if that is what it will be like.

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                                                                    #6.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:28 AM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":2939534,"authorDomain":"lubylou"}

                                                                    I too have been at the bedside of several of my relatives as they went through the dying process. I too witnessed them speaking to known dead relatives and when asked if they were in the room with us, their responses led me to conclude the same thing, that they were seeing through the veil. This has been so common, that now if a relative starts these conversations following a surgery or illness, we know that they are not going to get well, we know that there will be complications and they will pass. I am comforted by this actually because I believe when we die we are not alone, we are escorted over by our loved ones.

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                                                                    #6.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
                                                                    {"commentId":2946706,"authorDomain":"rompertt"}

                                                                    Yes, Lou, my husband died eleven months ago. Two days before he died, he slipped into a short nap. When he awoke he asked me, "Who are all these people in here?" There was no one that I could see so I asked him, "Who do you see?" "Well," he said, "Your dad is over here." And he gestured to his right side just behind his shoulder. "And Dad, is over here," he said, gesturing behind his left shoulder. "Mum is next to Dad." I knew it was his birth Mom by the way he spoke and not his step Mom. "And Mother Mary is next to Mum." "Is the Father here?" I asked, meaning God. "Sure, he's right here in front of me." "Do you see Jesus?" "Oh, yes, he's right here next to Father." These words came without hesitation. "Is my Mom here?" I asked. I have always worried about the afterlife of my Mom and was hoping she was there. "No, I don't see here. She must be in the next room."
                                                                    "Is Helen here?" I asked about his first wife. "No, she must be with Velma." (My Mom) "But who are all these others? There must be fifteen of them?" "Do you recognize anyone else? "No, I don't know them."

                                                                    I knew then that my husband would surely not recover. I knew it in my guts before but it was obvious to me that God, Lord Jesus, friends and family had come to prepare him to go home. A few moments before my husband died, I saw my father "fly" into the room behind me and stand behind my husband. I said out loud "Dad, you're here." He responded audibly to me "I came to take my friend home." Minutes later my husband stopped breathing, became very gray and left his poor body behind.

                                                                    My Mother's death was not so peaceful. I have had no contact with her since she died over twenty years ago. But we were never particularly close, and I think that has a lot to do with closeness after death.

                                                                    I had a death experience when I was twenty-four. It is as vivid now, thirty-four years later, as it was on that day. I had gone from work with a group of co-workers to donate blood. During the process my heart collapsed and I died. I was aware of flying at an incredible speed through space. The stars were shooting past me at such speed that it felt as though I was in a tunnel. I also was aware that I had no body but was just a glowing essence being pushed by an angel. I heard music that was so beautiful it couldn't have come from earth or any voice or instrument on it. The peace and joy I experienced is so indescribable. I saw a light in front of me, first very far away and then getting closer and closer. Instinctively I knew that God was the light and I couldn't wait to get there. Then I heard the voices of men and women calling my name from earth. I knew it was the doctors and nurses who were attending those giving blood. I felt an annoyance at having to answer them because I wanted so badly to keep going on to God. I felt that it was necessary to answer them out of a spirit of obedience. At that moment I came to an utter stop in my flight. I knew I was being given a moment of decision to respond or not to respond. I decided to respond. I was then "sucked" back into my body at an even faster rate than I had been flying. It was the most nauseating feeling I have ever had. Morning sickness comes in second.

                                                                    When I tried to respond to the nurse I still could not see, and my tongue had swollen inside my mouth so that I couldn't respond though I tried. Over and over my name was called. It seemed a long time before I could answer. When I could see, the nurse's face was just inches from mine. There were at least five nurses and one or two doctors around me. At my revival all but the nurse at my face left.

                                                                    If I had to go through it again I would not respond. I would keep going. God, surely would have sent me back anyway, because I believe he still had, and has, things for me to do. But since that time I have had no fear of death. I also think that this experience has helped me to walk others through the door of death with peace and confidence.

                                                                    I am sorry for those who do not believe that there is a God: a loving Daddy God who created each of us for Himself, and longs to have us home with Him in a place so wonderful and beautiful that "eye has not seen nor ear heard nor has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared" for us. If God could prepare an earth so incredibly beautiful for us, what could he have prepared for the forever we know is coming!

                                                                    If you don't believe in God, know that He believes in you. Live as if you did believe. Because you don't want to be left with second choice of the only two in the hereafter.
                                                                    For me, second choice will never do - for you either! Have a Happy Eternity!

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                                                                      #6.8 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":2968858,"authorDomain":"charlette-6"}

                                                                      Mary MC, you are so right. My gradmother had alzhiemers. She passed at the age of 78. We watched on for 10 years as her mind and body slowly deteriorated. Towards the end, probably the last two months near her death, she started to speak of her friend (who had passed when they both were in their 50's of 60's), mu uncles (her 2 sons who had passed before her), and others who had passed before, saying things like "Alice wants me to meet with her so that we can go". We then new it was time. I was 17 at the time, but I remember my grandmother waiting until all 12 of her childern were back home in Mississippi, and I remember my grandfather telling her "Emma, everyone is here now, you can go". I remember my grandmother passing away peacefully with all of her children and grandchildren around. I am convinced that Grandmother was between heaven and earth from September 1997 - November 1997.

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                                                                        #6.9 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":2969525,"authorDomain":"lindsay53402"}

                                                                        What an amazing story about your husband. When you wrote about your dad coming to bring his friend home, it almost brought me to tears. Thank you for sharing!

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                                                                          #6.10 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":2971419,"authorDomain":"hmr2505"}

                                                                          Yes, the story about your husband Lou did bring me to tears. I love reading things like that because it just reaffirms me that the afterlife and God and his plan is so very real. Thank you for that. Reading your story really set a positive tone for my day.

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                                                                            #6.11 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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                                                                            {"commentId":2903688,"authorDomain":"Rico001"}

                                                                            I was "coded" in an ER. My cardiologist has told me that if I were not in an ER, I never would have made it.

                                                                            The nurse had just given me a Nitro pill that I placed under my tongue.

                                                                            I just felt an immense urge to go to sleep, and I turned upon my side to "take a nap". Of course, the nurse was slapping me and saying, "No, No, No".

                                                                            Well, I "took my nap" anyway, but I was lucid enough to think as I was going asleep, "Damn it, I'm going to aspirate the Nitro pill".

                                                                            No lights, no tunnel, no reliving the past, no pain, no awareness, no out-of-body, nothing ! The only thing "unusual" was a "warping of time". In what seemed to me to be less than 1/2 of a second, I awoke. And my first thought was "The Nitro pill was gone". But as I looked around the room, there were about 10 people standing around me, and I thought, "It's been longer than 1/2 a second".

                                                                            The next day, I had angioplasty that determined that I needed a bypass. I then had a quadruple bypass, went through cardiac rehab, and have had no further problems of any kind. In fact, I don't feel impaired in any way, altho at age 68 I don't try to run a marathon. This was 5-1/2 years ago.

                                                                            The only residual effect that I have is that before my "incident", I suffered from panic attacks, and I was always terrified of death, now, I have absolutely no fear of death.

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                                                                            Reply#7 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":2905302,"authorDomain":"bradewalton"}

                                                                            Rico is telling it true

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                                                                            #7.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":2907382,"authorDomain":"gpd113"}

                                                                            I believe Rico not so much the others.

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                                                                              #7.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":2916444,"authorDomain":"coutant"}

                                                                              I was in my doctor's office getting a lidocaine trigger-point injection for fibromyalgia when I went into full cardiac arrest. My experience was very similar to Rico's. I felt like I was fainting more than napping and I "awoke" to my doctor leaning against the wall looking like he'd just run a marathon and two nurses yelling at me to tell them where I was and to stay awake. Nothing happened while I was "dead" nothing. It all just went black and I also felt a calm that I've never felt before when I regained consciousness. I thought that was strange since I hadn't had a religious experience.

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                                                                                #7.3 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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                                                                                {"commentId":2903902,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                In my opinion, the central question to the inquiry into an "afterlife" is the determination of the nature of eternity. It appears that most people who are discuss this topic are presuming a "Newtonian" view of absolute time and excluding from the discussion the theory of absolute space-time as espoused by Einstein and Minkowski. While I will not attempt to explain the intricacies of the theories of relativity, suffice it to say that Einstein thought that the distinction between past, present and future is an illusion. While most of us continue to interpret our existence in the universe by perceiving the material manifested world around us by employing the skills we inherited through biological evolution, modern theoretical physics has, of course, extended our manner of interpreting the universe to forever alter our understanding of reality. Albert Einstein stated that "since there exists in the four dimensional structure (space-time) no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence." Einstein went on to state that there is not a true division between past and future, but rather a single existence. In other words, the distinction between past, present and future is an illusion.
                                                                                Every moment of space-time is a timeless entity in and of itself. Eternity may not be endless time but, instead, eternity may be the timelessness of each moment which never "passes away" from the overall existence within absolute space-time.

                                                                                Therefore, if eternity is timelessness and our conscious experiences are part of this timelessness, then do our actions and thoughts exist in this timeless eternity? As theoretical physicist David Bohm stated: "Ultimately, all moments are really one. Therefore now is eternity" Or as theoretical physicist Brian Greene says: "Just as we envision all of space as really being out there, as really existing, we should also envision all of time as really being out there, as really existing too."

                                                                                We have evolved to psychologically misinterpret much of "true" physical reality as Einstein and his progeny have expressed in not only the theories of relativity but also in quantum mechanics. If the non-locality of the quantum mind exists in this timeless, transcendent order (dimension?) of ultimate reality then the experiences of NDE survivors is clearly consistent with these theories. I look forward to the interpretations of this new study.

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                                                                                Reply#8 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":2905044,"authorDomain":"joshuaperahia"}

                                                                                Why have you been plagiarizing my writing? I see you've posted text from my book "Everything Forever" here. In fact, Z-Bob, you have been posting this same letter (of my words) on forums for almost 2 years. Shame on you. Please find ways of expressing yourself by yourself.

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                                                                                #8.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":2906013,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                This is amazing, since Gevin Giorbran died a few months ago, we now have the proof of the "afterlife" and the ability of the deceased to interact with the living (and through the internet).

                                                                                Also, Giorbran's ideas are much more complex than the above post.

                                                                                Furthermore, I have quoted many scientists in the above post and no one would consider this wrong since I am advocating their ideas not attempting to benefit from these quotes.

                                                                                But thank you whoever you really are because I would definitely recommend the website of Gevin Giorbran:
                                                                                www.everythingforever.com

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                                                                                #8.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":2907396,"authorDomain":"gpd113"}

                                                                                Boring

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                                                                                  #8.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
                                                                                  {"commentId":2916125,"authorDomain":"mfoxton"}

                                                                                  Thank you for a very interesting explanation. You may well have hit the nail on the head.

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                                                                                    #8.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":2917141,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                    Old Brit:
                                                                                    Thank you for your comment. If you are interested in further reading about how modern theoretical physics seems to substantiate the essences of many belief systems, I recommend the following books: "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra; "The Self Aware Universe" by Amit Goswami; "The Physics of Consciousness" by Evan Harris Walker.

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                                                                                    #8.5 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":2918642,"authorDomain":"zildjian21260"}

                                                                                    I agree with the time thing. Particularly to the life flashing. I think of it more as a blink that your mind can only process so fast so it appears as a rapid succession of snap shots. I started to see most of the important things that had happened in my life before I lost consciousness which tells me it's not actual death, but the beginning of it with a few other things yet to still happen before it's final.

                                                                                    The looking over yourself and the scene is all true but there really wasn't any concern either way it turned out. It was more of an observation. I did start to get frustrated that I couldn't communicate with anyone. No one was listening to me so I gave up trying then it ended but I do remember having thoughts like "where will they bury me"? I never have been afraid of death since I came to deal with the fact that it will eventually happen anyway and I can't change that.

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                                                                                      #8.6 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2919093,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                      I neglected to add to the reading list the insightful book "Zen Physics" by British astrophysicist, David Darling. The book is available to read on-line at:

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                                                                                      #8.7 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2919189,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                      David Darling's website is: www.daviddarling.info

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                                                                                      #8.8 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":2922367,"authorDomain":"PaulDuffy"}

                                                                                      I'll surmise that you lost all but a few precious souls with the intelligent ramblings of collegiate enterprise. Simply stated, and in a relatively spiritual context, as a Buddhist might interpret and as the great beacon of light and hope Jesus of the Christ said, "I am that I am" inferring undertones that we are all the same being and nothing less. When Christ says "I Am" then the meaning is that there is nothing more; no separation. A separation of any kind implies individualistic tendencies and leads us to believe and interpret time and space in intervals. No one likes to go so far as to say that we are all God having a dream of independent separation, but it's something to ponder isn't it? But then again all of this seams far removed from the topic of life after death. I posit that both life and death are illusions of the same dream, and the dream of life and death may be whatever we believe and therefore whatever we make it.

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                                                                                        #8.9 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:16 AM EDT
                                                                                        {"commentId":2927006,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                        Aerocarpenter:

                                                                                        Excellent post! I agree with you that when Jesus Christ stated that "I am that I am" He was stating that He is all things whenever or where-ever they manifest in space-time. In other words, He is One with all things at all times and, therefore, One with God. He experiences God consciousness which is the consciousness that exists within us all but is hidden by our fragmenting, separating ego selves which divide us from the oneness of God.

                                                                                        It appears from the many experiences of the commenters here and in other studies that this oneness of mind, space and time leads to eternal (timeless) existence for us all. Whether we ultimately retain our individuality or are subsumed into the one mind of God is another question but, in either circumstance, we are eternal.

                                                                                        Peace

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                                                                                        #8.10 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
                                                                                        {"commentId":2934789,"authorDomain":"gmckinney-1"}

                                                                                        Zbob and Aero:
                                                                                        Really, doesn't much of what you are discussing fit with the classical Bible predictions? A final judgement, where every deed is known by all - if we become one with God, would not we all know everything that was accessible? And if God is truly infinite, and our knowable universe is just a figment of his imagination, then if we become One, will not we be in a state where every desire, dream and ambition is/has already been possible AND filled?

                                                                                        Or, maybe in another way, every post here is absolutely correct, we are all creating our own heaven and reality. A terrifying thought - you are going to have to live with yourself through infinity!

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                                                                                          #8.11 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
                                                                                          {"commentId":2939681,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                          George McKninney,
                                                                                          You may be absolutely correct that we are creating our own heaven (or hell) in every moment of our lives and we may have to live with ourselves throughout eternity. But the beautiful power of forgiveness allows for us to be in a state of peace for eternity since we must view our lives (and all existence) in a holistic, timeless manner.

                                                                                          Peace in every moment in our minds and actions, with the power of true forgiveness, will eventually spread throughout the world.(if we want it to)

                                                                                          Peace

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                                                                                          #8.12 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
                                                                                          {"commentId":2940765,"authorDomain":"obijonobi"}

                                                                                          You know, with the NDE descriptions out there they reminded me of the dreams I have had. Some dreams I remember in such detail that I can remember them for years! Some I seem to close my eyes to sleep and the next thing I know I'm waking up the next morning eight hours later! I almost drowned and had a flashback of a time when I was 5 and jumping on our trampoline with a water hose.

                                                                                          Now, back to zbob's initial comment on time and stuff...assuming I understood what he explained correctly, and I like to think I did. Zbob just explained "eternity" in a couple of paragraphs. A topic that is nearly impossible to explain on a level for everyone to understand (correctly), because nothing in this life, here on earth, is eternal for us to compare to.

                                                                                          Jesus the Christ, aka "I Am". A lot of what Jesus did in the New Testament was confirming that which was prophesied in the Old Testament. I believe when He said, "I am that I Am", He was referring to being Jehovah of the Old Testament. George's comment is interesting in the fact that it paints a picture of a fragment on who God is and what our possible role might be with Him.

                                                                                          I guess the bottom line is that you better live up to your beliefs, because if you turn out to be wrong, at least you can say you did your best! Then again, if everything goes blank and your conscience ceases to exist...well, you wont have any hard feelings 'cause you won't have anything to feel!

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                                                                                            #8.13 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
                                                                                            {"commentId":2943089,"authorDomain":"danrenner"}

                                                                                            For those intersted in the "I AM" statement: Both God and Christ who refer to themselves (Himself, if you prefer) in the present continuous form, are indicating that they are not finite like mortal man. God, being spirit and eternal, the alpha and omega, the A to Z, has no beginning and no end, much like a circle. He simply IS, presently and continously, because there is no point of origin to limit him and no culminating point which defines His existence. God, unbound by time constraints, is a continous flow of NOW. He's not I WAS, nor is He 'I Will', He simply IS. I do agree with the loosely stated notion that perhaps it means that in Him all things are held together, and that in Him we live and move and move and have our being, but I think it refers spefically to His eternal nature...a hard concept to explain to a creature who knows only finite time-lines.

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                                                                                            #8.14 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
                                                                                            {"commentId":2971446,"authorDomain":"kdc383"}

                                                                                            zbob, I guess the words you copied wouldn't then, be 'your opinion'. It is the opinion of someone else, an opinion that you agree with.

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                                                                                              #8.15 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
                                                                                              {"commentId":2973566,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                              Dot Parker:
                                                                                              Actually, the words are not copied from anyone regarding my opinion. I have quoted Albert Einstein, David Bohm and Brian Greene but they do not state the same conclusions that I have made (to my knowledge) The faux Gevin Giorbran was misstating and overstating his plagiarism charge. In other words, the website that I mentioned has some of the same quotes of the aforementioned scientists. I have given credit to the original person(s) who made the quote(s).

                                                                                              The opinion about the "afterlife" is mine. Of course I have incorporated the ideas of these great scientists into my view of this subject.

                                                                                              Peace.

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                                                                                              #8.16 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
                                                                                              {"commentId":2998692,"authorDomain":"PaulDuffy"}

                                                                                              zbob
                                                                                              I truly dig that you were extrapolating information from scientific theory, and I was expounding on the profundities of spirituality and we were able to find common ground!!! Now, that's profound....................

                                                                                              Peace to you Brother,

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                                                                                                #8.17 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:30 AM EDT
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                                                                                                {"commentId":2904486,"authorDomain":"lloydc09"}

                                                                                                Yes I have had four "Near Death" experiences one as a child the others were all as an adult. As for myself it has been and always will be a hard thing to explain to those who have not had the experience. There is always one common denominator among all who have gone through this..Near Death experience changes the total outlook on life forever for those who accept the gift they have been given. As with others I no longer fear the final journey called death, even though I have no "Death Wish" I in some ways look forward to the journey and my conversations I know I'll have with my long dead parents and sister who I lost when she was three years old. Everyone if they will allow themselves to comprehend this gift they have received WILL come back with explanations of things that happened past and present within their families. They will give message requests from the dead to the living and other stories that boggle the minds of those around them. Many will tell those around them conversations that took place during their death by those living standing around their dead body as proof that "Near Dead" is just an extension of "Life" and it is nothing to be feared. Many return from their near death journey with a psychic power of some sort. Many like myself have the honor to talk to those who have passed before them and bring messages back with them to those still living. The big however is that as I know it "Near Death" is not "Death" my last incident was 21 months ago when I for no know reason "Flat Lined" and I mean "stone cold dead" for about three minutes and it was like I dozed off, as a matter of fact my first words to the doctors when I suddenly opened my eyes as they were putting the paddles to my chest was to try to get them to buy off that I had "Dozed Off" in the hospital chair so they would not hit me with the paddles. This went on until until I saw my crying wife while the "Code Blue" alarms were going off all around me then it all sank it that I had just taken another walk on the other side of the living. This conversation could go on for hours. I end saying this those who have had the "Near Death" experience will never forget it and the world as they now know and their out look on life is so night and day different from everyone else that they appear strange to those people who know them well. Everyone has the freedom to choose if they believe in "Near Death" or "Life after Death" and I can never seem to form a good argument to change the mind of the skeptic. But I can give the names of my friends who told my wife after my last experience that "that is not the same person we knew before his experience". God Bless all who read this

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                                                                                                Reply#9 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
                                                                                                {"commentId":2933784,"authorDomain":"mpaz01"}

                                                                                                Beautiful story. I totally believe you. After my out of the body experience / dear death experience I too found out I can do something that most people can't. I too can talk/ connect with others that have passed on to the spirit world / afterlife. Do you contact them or do they contact you? There is so much that people don't understand about the spirit world, or what happens as we die to what happens after we are dead. Its been a very good topic to research.

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                                                                                                #9.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:52 AM EDT
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                                                                                                {"commentId":2905075,"authorDomain":"funkster-1"}

                                                                                                My heart stopped and I died 8 times in a two day period about two years ago and experienced nothing significant. It just felt like I was fainting. The thing I remember was how utterly exhausted I felt and that it was very difficult to even lift my arms right after waking up. Maybe I wasn't dead long enough to set off the "Dying Process". I wasn't alarmed though and I did feel peaceful all things considered.

                                                                                                For those of you who just want to make jokes and ridicule the experiences being shared here, go F yourselves.

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                                                                                                Reply#10 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
                                                                                                {"commentId":2907423,"authorDomain":"gpd113"}

                                                                                                No jokes, seems logical. I don't believe in the out of body experience.

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                                                                                                  #10.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
                                                                                                  {"commentId":2936975,"authorDomain":"sheriff328"}

                                                                                                  So, TL-522492 I have to ask if you do not believe in this topic why in the*%^( are you even on this post? Just wondering!

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                                                                                                    #10.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
                                                                                                    {"commentId":2966424,"authorDomain":"Weeble"}

                                                                                                    marin, I don't believe it either - I agree with TL-522492. I believe that NDEs are merely the body's desperate last-ditch attempt to stave off the extinction of conciousness that happens when the body dies. I have no belief in any deity, afterlife, religion, or any other supernatural explanation for anything. We have our bodies, physical reality, our five senses, and that's it. No anecdotal evidence from people in extremis will ever convince me otherwise, although I do believe they are totally sincere in their beliefs.

                                                                                                    However, all that said, my strongest beliefs are that everyone has the right to believe in exactly what they want, and are free to read and comment on anything they want, whether they believe it or not, without being attacked by some "true believer". Actually, I've seen very little of that in these comments, up to yours.

                                                                                                    Evidently, only people who agree with you and *your* beliefs are allowed to comment, is it so?

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                                                                                                      #10.3 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
                                                                                                      {"commentId":2970547,"authorDomain":"littlefish"}

                                                                                                      you are a true believer on "everyone has the right to believe " :)

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                                                                                                        #10.4 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
                                                                                                        {"commentId":3201165,"authorDomain":"Weeble"}

                                                                                                        That's sure true! :-)

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                                                                                                          #10.5 - Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905138,"authorDomain":"fergie875"}

                                                                                                          I had a beautiful experience while in hospital with severe asthma: zooming through darkness toward a brilliant but soothing light. I became aware of a benevolent face at the end of the tunnel. I am definitely not a religious person but I remember hearing my voice saying in wonder that it was Jesus. The face had that look from books I'd seen years ago at Sunday school. There was no review of my life at all, nothing from past experiences. Just the sense of speeding through darkness towards a streaming core of light and the face at the end of it. And of an overwhelming bliss flooding my body while all this was going on. I'm still not religious but now I am not afraid of the actual transition from life to whatever comes next. I hope I will experience this again when it truly is my time to go. I later asked my GP what he thought about it all and he said it was due to my being anoxic.

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                                                                                                          Reply#11 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905269,"authorDomain":"hmlayfield"}

                                                                                                          In 1964, at the age of fourteen, I survived a high speed head-on collision that killed three people in the car I was riding in. Declared DOA, I was saved when a policeman heard me moan under the sheet, headed for the morgue. During surgery, I floated above the room, counted twelve doctors and nurses working on me, heard their conversations, then sailed through the hospital, out the door and into a neighborhood before I sailed into the light. Not only did I relive my short life, I experienced knowledge that is impossible to explain, even to myself. After all these years, I still miss the light. I welcome this study with great interest.

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                                                                                                          Reply#12 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905284,"authorDomain":"bradewalton"}

                                                                                                          I am 35, a medical professional, and a single dad. I had 2 experiences and I don't really know if they were NDE (near death experiences), or not. The first time, absolutely nothing occurred, I did not wake up in peace or anything. I did not code though, all that happened was I lost consciousness and my BP(blood pressure) bottomed out. The second time was last year during an emergency liver transplant, and then a second. My Vena Cava came loose from the 1st liver and they lost me on the table while a second liver was being found, I was then on bypass for my liver and started on kidney dialysis, then underwent the 2nd transplant successfully but had a heart attack in recovery and a lung collapsed. I cannot tell you when any of this occurred because it all happened at once in the period of about 3 days total time. I did not see a light. I was first being held against my will and wanted to die but something wouldn't let me, then a second memory is of a bird next to me both of us flying, i never saw my body so i don't know if it was me as human or a bird or what? the other bird seemed to be my Dad's father, and we went from old car to old car as they drove down the road. I was at peace but anxious, very anxious for the next chapter of what was happening to begin. I was then awake, I have not feared death since this experience, I still have anxiety issues and some depression issues over an ex wife, but I otherwise fear nothing. I do not have a death wish of any sort. The bad experience I had was more than what I can go into on here, but was scarier than anything I could explain in words, almost like a preview of heaven and hell?

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                                                                                                            Reply#13 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
                                                                                                            {"commentId":2910756,"authorDomain":"madumati"}

                                                                                                            .If you want to pursue that experience further,I suggest you find a ashram.I was born with abilities that I thought every child had. It was in the third grade I realised I was different,Isaw things before they happened ,knew when people said things, that they felt other wise inside and what they really thought.I was not upset,Iwanted to know more.I had no one to ask. So I just talked to god about it.Then, the turning point was on a gloomy day my mother gave me the news my best friends mother was dying of cancer.Iwas sitting in the kitchen looking out the window,wondering what death was like.I saw a person standing under the apple tree next store.I was10 yrs. old,I ran out side to see this being,He was a elder man long white hair,brown eyes that looked Thu me,he had white long robes on.Icould not break eye contact,I asked who he was?He said he was my teacher,he also was holding a sickle.I told him I wanted to experience the whole process of dying.I have experienced dying from the beginning 4times.MY husband called me back.My husband passed away Jan.21 2005,I Lead him over as far as I had gone . He passed over 15 min. later.He passed with his head cradled in my hands.I do not at all fear death,it is a beautiful experience.When you consciously die you are only connected to your body 25% so you have the chance to go back and in your body at will.It is like a onion,first you are wide a wake and see your parents ,than I saw myself between them. I told my husband what is my dad and mom doing standing at the bottom of my bed? Than I saw my self between them. Thats when I felt the first layeraround my body leaving, than Ifelt this beautiful feeling of letting go. It is like a giant magnet pulling you toward this bridge,as layers 0f substance fall off you.There is a light brighter than the sun every where. As this force field is pulling you,there are beings with you in white robes walking with you. The bridge which looks like a bridge made with strips of wood ,asI walked further on, the bridge turned into a rainbow.Than my husband said do not go!do not go!come back,come back. It felt so good to go,but when he saw me going it felt like a giant shepherds hook grabbed me and pulled me back into this body. Coming into the body was unbelievable pain,so much pain. I was ready to go,asI have had 19 operations and live with pain 24-7. Than to find while I was in the process of dying,my husband had 6 months to live.We took care of each other, we thought I would go first. When he died my world fell apart,and of course my health,all I tell people is be so thank full you have a husband or mate, because you donot know till they are gone how much the love and feelings you have had together. The pain of losing apartner is something you never get over.` If it was not for dream time with him,I donot know how I could go on.He was my pillar to lean on,now he is not here, so Brad I do know the depression,pain and everything that it entails. May the force be with you and heal the pain.I know it is easy to say but hard to do,But be thankful that you have your children so you still have work ahead for you, be very thankful.

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                                                                                                              #13.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:38 AM EDT
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                                                                                                              {"commentId":2905306,"authorDomain":"wahela1"}

                                                                                                              I am a hospice nurse. I have witnessed about 500 people die, and over half of them have seen some of their loved ones that have gone on before them, I ask them if they are seeing someone, and they look embarrassed and say, "maybe". When I tell them that is good, they are relieved and they will tell me all about who they see, what they are talking about, etc. I actually was sitting with someone, my first death, when a light shone down on the bed, and she gasped and told me her husband was there, she raised her hand, and fell back onto the bed, and the light went out. I thought I was really hallucinating (early morning, tired, etc), when I went to tell her roommate she had died, the roommate asked me why I turned on all those lights when she died. I once went to a psychic (as much to disprove, rather than believing), and the psychic told me (without knowing anything about me and telling me to not even say yes or no), that my first death person wanted to thank me for sitting with her, even tho I got scared when I saw the light. so all of this stuff is so very interconnected between life and death.

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                                                                                                              Reply#14 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
                                                                                                              {"commentId":2905375,"authorDomain":"bradewalton"}

                                                                                                              I believe you

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                                                                                                                #14.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                                {"commentId":2906261,"authorDomain":"caligiurijoseph"}

                                                                                                                Brad, you seem truly interested so at the possibility of ridicule I would have to say that on two occasions I at least have been close to the door. Both times I thought I saw a couple dressed in 1950's garb at the foot of my hospital bed. They were telling me it wasn't right and I should relax and everything would be right. After the second experience I thought on it and it came to me those two people were the same in each instance. The second time i was more open to going as I had convinced myself I was tired of fighting what would surely recur but they talked me out of that as well.For over 10 years that medical condition has not recurred and after I felt a sense of well being that I still can feel today.

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                                                                                                                  #14.2 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  {"commentId":2906646,"authorDomain":"clink-1"}

                                                                                                                  Willow-369182 I am very interested in your psychic experience as I have had two very interesting readings. I also have had my two year old granddaughter walk into my home and say hi to my father, whom she said was sitting in my favorite chair, [dad passed in 1981].

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                                                                                                                    #14.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2909101,"authorDomain":"eatmorehay"}

                                                                                                                    Thank you.

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                                                                                                                    #14.4 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2976759,"authorDomain":"connector888"}

                                                                                                                    Perhaps there are multiple reasons why "all" people do not have NDE.
                                                                                                                    One reason may be physiological, another may be dimensional "maturity"

                                                                                                                    www.consciousnessconnector.com

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                                                                                                                      #14.5 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                      {"commentId":2905429,"authorDomain":"mmouse53a"}

                                                                                                                      I blacked out , fell back and hit my head . I remember looking down at myself laying on the floor and wondering what I was doing there . Then all of a sudden I came to and it felt like I had been laying there for a very long time . By looking at my watch I knew it all happened in a minute or less . It was the strangest feeling because it felt like I had been out of my body for so long .

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                                                                                                                      Reply#15 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
                                                                                                                      {"commentId":2909231,"authorDomain":"madumati"}

                                                                                                                      If you what to pursue that further I would find a ashram and learn to meditate.I was born with many abilities that felt normal to me,I thought every person had them too. In the third grade I started to realize kids didnot tune (see things before they happened like I didand know about what people were like inside and how they really felt even tho they said otherwise. Than when I was 10 years old, my best friends mother was dying of cancer. My mother told me sandy's mother did not have much time left. I well never forget that day, we lived in the countryand it was a gloomy day,I sat in the chair at the table thinking about death.While thinking I looked out the kitchen window and saw a person standing under the apple tree in tall grass next store

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                                                                                                                      #15.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                      {"commentId":2905462,"authorDomain":"byrnedoll"}

                                                                                                                      I think people who have these experiences truly believe they went to the afterlife, and came back. Of course people have been declared clinically dead, and were revived, but it's the spiritual experiences I doubt. I mean, I'm Catholic, and believe in the State Of Grace, but I see the tunnel, white light, long-deceased relative, etc., as a brain reaction to lack of oxygen, similar to a fever dream. I just don't see how anyone can believe that God (if you believe in Him), would go, "Oops - didn't mean for you to die - do-over!" Having said that, these experiences seem to always be pleasant to the person having them, often turning their lives around (hey, if you almost die, white light or not, it should give you a new appreciation of your life!). Whether the visions are real or not, it often puts people on the right path, so I think that's terrific. By the way, I certainly believe in life after death, having lived with a ghost for 2 1/2 years.

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                                                                                                                      Reply#16 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
                                                                                                                      {"commentId":2907492,"authorDomain":"gpd113"}

                                                                                                                      Awsome, great blog

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                                                                                                                        #16.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
                                                                                                                        {"commentId":2947209,"authorDomain":"rompertt"}

                                                                                                                        That ghost is in need of your spiritual help to go home.
                                                                                                                        Please pray for it, read scripture to it, and tell it about
                                                                                                                        the love of the Lord and how He died to have all of his
                                                                                                                        children home with him. If, over time, you can "sense" it's readiness, invite it to go to the
                                                                                                                        Light where God is. It will be able to see the light and choose to go if it is ready. You are gifted to be able to do this for someone in such need.

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                                                                                                                          #16.2 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:55 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905486,"authorDomain":"elybratpack"}

                                                                                                                          In August, 2003 when my daughter was ten years old, she literally "dropped" and coded from an idiopathic anaphylactic asthma attack and was declared clinically dead. I literally held her in my arms when she died.

                                                                                                                          At the time, we happened to be in a location where paramedics and fire fighters were near us. We were fortunate enough to get assistance quickly, which was the single most factor in that she is alive now, but not without tremendous effort from the emergency services. Had we been anywhere else, it would have been a completely different ending. She was intubated twice and eventually resuscitated, and hypoxic (without oxygen) for about five minutes, then she spent a month in the hospital.

                                                                                                                          When she first "came to", she asked where she was and I told her she was in the hospital, but I didn't go into any detail about her ordeal - I was still trying to pull myself together and come to terms with what happened. To my knowledge, she had no idea what transpired and I didn't want to move into the topic swiftly and frighten her. She didn't question a thing but just said very matter-of-factly, "Mama, it doesn't hurt to die". That comment just about dropped me to my knees. It was hard to keep my composure. It was basically the first thing out of her mouth when she woke up, like it had just been sitting on the tip of her tongue and she couldn't wait to get it out, like she just wanted us to know she was okay. She then started explaining how she saw me and dad crying when they were working on her and she apologized for scaring us. She kept talking about how bright it was "outside". She explained things that I couldn't even dream up. How does anyone, let alone a ten year old, know this stuff? It was too detailed and deep.

                                                                                                                          Over the course of time, she has become very intuitive and likes to talk about my (deceased grandparents - not a lot, but seems to know things about them that I've never told her. It's comforting, but at the same time, there is a balance and we don't over-discuss the situation. I really admire that girl.

                                                                                                                          This experience was absolutley humbling for our family. No, we aren't meant to live forever, but this little slice of heaven that we were privvy to has made some peace in my heart regarding death. When a ten year old sets you straight about it, then it has to be okay...

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                                                                                                                          Reply#17 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
                                                                                                                          {"commentId":2907249,"authorDomain":"ecowiz"}

                                                                                                                          Lisa, thank you for sharing the experience you daughter shared with you. It was very beautiful.

                                                                                                                          When I was your daughter's age, my grandmother shared with me the story of her father's death. My great grandfather died as a young man. He had been a giving, wonderful and loving man and a pastor of a church. Moments before he passed, he sat up in bed and called to my great grandmother, "Why, Dory, why is so and so here on my right side, and at the foot of the bed is so and so, and on my left, is so and so, and why are they all here?"

                                                                                                                          My great grandfather proceeded to talk with those whom he was speaking, began a conversation with those around his bed. My great grandmother knew, that those in attendance, were members of his congregation and had preceded him in death. His friends and members of his church. Many medical professionals insist this is very common, communicating with deceased family and friends upon one's passing.

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                                                                                                                          #17.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905560,"authorDomain":"sherryterry1"}

                                                                                                                          As a RN, I have been by the side of many patients as they took their last breath. Many have seen loved ones that have passed on, others never said a word about anything or anyone. I have not had a NDE (near death experience) but can say I KNOW, regardless of religious affiliation that death IS a spiritual experience, our soul transcends this world into another. Even those medical professionals who are not religious expressed significant feelings associated with the dying experience. The "proverbial" THEY can try to make this experience a CLINICAL experience but it will never be that. It is another portal we all must pass through.

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                                                                                                                          Reply#18 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
                                                                                                                          {"commentId":2938482,"authorDomain":"classieblonde"}

                                                                                                                          As an RN you may know this is true. I was to have surgery in 1986. I had been through 2 surgeries in 1971 and 1981, so I knew the routine. Somehow, this one did not seem quite right, so I wrote a note to my husband the night before and gave it to him "just in case". He looked at it and said he didn't want it, but I made him keep it. As I was taken to surgery, I saw my anesthesiologist and knew right away I did not want him to put me to sleep. In the Operating Room, before I could tell my doctor I wanted someone else, he had me asleep. Now, as I look back, putting me to sleep did not happen so quickly previously. It was as if I was falling asleep on my own, but this time I just went out, fast. Long story short, the only thing I can remember is the nurse coming into my room and asking me to move my feet. I did. I remember hearing my dad and mom's voice, then nothing else. This part I was told by the head nurse, another RN, and my husband. My parents had left, my husband was straightening up my pillow when he said my head dropped over like a newborn, no function to hold my head upright. This led to him picking up my hand and it felt cool to the touch and limp. He got down beside my ear and screamed my name. The nurse's station was on the other end of the hall and the nurses there heard him yelling my name and rushed to my room. The head nurse could not get a heartbeat or pulse so she summoned the anesthesiologist, (took him 10 min. to get to my room), and as she turned toward the door she saw a CN with an ice tray going down the hallway. She ran and grabbed the ice tray and dashed it in my face. This brought me around. The anestheiologist did not want to give me a shot to bring me out of it because he said I would be in pain. The head nurse told him to give me the shot, she would deal with the pain when I woke up.

                                                                                                                          This is what I know. I was in a very dark place, no stars, no sun, no top, no bottom, no sides. I was walking slowly, then I began to walk faster until I was running. I remember it was so warm and the farther I ran the warmer I became. It felt so warm as the sun is on a very hot day except I did not sweat, it did not burn, total darkness, yet I could see, and I wanted to go to the other side. I think that warmth was angel wings wrapped around me. Within all this warmth was so much love, I felt loved like no other can ever be loved! I cannot describe how much love or how it felt, but I knew I wanted to go! Then, I woke up, with a little pain, and nurse was saying she could get a pulse and heartbeat. Next day, one of the nurses told me I had scared them to death. I smiled and told them it would have been alright, I knew where I was going. Today, it is as real as if it had just happened. My husband told me I seemed to be a different person, as if he took one to the hospital and that one was replaced with another. I would never change what happened because now I know exactly what is waiting and I still want it. I believe in the 23rd Psalm and believe I was "walking in the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me."

                                                                                                                          Those of you that read this may be sceptical or not. I really don't care, I know what I believe and I know it happened. I did not look down on myself nor did I see a light, but I felt tremendous love like no other. I love God and I believe in afterlife and in the kind of love I felt, only God can give.

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                                                                                                                          #18.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                          {"commentId":2905624,"authorDomain":"drmjw"}

                                                                                                                          I once had a flu and went hiking at 9300 feet (Colorado). That nite the congestion was worse and a woman at the lodge offered a hot vinegar drink with honey. After several sips I my muscles palsied, my eyes rolled up in my head and I went unconscious.

                                                                                                                          I had a brief 'flash' of my life, a couple of images that held complex meaning; like an epitome of my life (I was early 20's- so not too much content). I then noticed I was in a dark tunnel. I saw an opening, or white light at the far end, quite a ways down the tunnel. I started moving down the tunnel. I was curious a bit, not scared. After a short interval, I felt like I was in a subway and the train was coming. If you've ever been in a subway you know how the rumbling and echo are all around you; you even feel it coming up through the feet. In that moment I had a revelation. The rumbling was my lungs- the sound of my breathing. In the next moment I awoke. I was on the floor, a lot of concerned folks around, and a paper bag over my nose and mouth. A cop and nurse knew to have me re-breathe my own CO2 to pull me out of the respiratory alkalosis I had developed (basically, just hyperventilation)

                                                                                                                          Ten years later I was talking with a woman about the event, which I hadn't thought of for all those years. I had become a chiropractor in the interim, and had learned a lot of anatomy, especially of the spine. As we spoke I realized that, when I felt the rumbling and thought it was my lungs, my 'position' was that it (the sound and sensation) was all around me. Second I started to put together that "I" (or my consciousness) must have located within my spinal canal. All the spinal vertebrae, when stacked on one another, form a canal or tunnel that houses the spinal cord. The white light I supposed, was at the far end of the tunnel, or the head.

                                                                                                                          In the ten or so years I had read about Eastern traditions in general, and that there is some belief that when one dies the consciousness 'recedes' within, and then up and out of the body. In reflecting on that experience, I put what to me felt like two and two together and have sensed that my consciousness had indeed receded within, within my spinal canal, and that heading towards the white light would be that 'up and out', as the 'path' through which the consciousness exits the body on death.

                                                                                                                          While I am supposing a bunch, the experience does 'fit'- I am sure I was within my body, as I experienced my lungs as 'around' me. And if you've ever seen a spine, the spinal canal is definitely a tunnel-like structure. There was no motivation, nor at that time in my life any gain to accrue from constructing the experience in any particular way.

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                                                                                                                            Reply#19 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                                            {"commentId":9412870,"authorDomain":"esessjay-1334581sjay-1334581"}

                                                                                                                            Great post!! Sensible analysis ...the life reviews (random collection of memories), the light, the tunnel like feelings are "said" to be the results of poor brain function due to lack of O2. With that said, may i also point out that i meant no disrespect to those who have had NDEs (including my mother) and their spiritual beliefs. NDEs are real and 10% of American's have had them. Just like our perception of life, our perception of death (at the brink of it) is different from one to another. So it makes perfect sense for these experiences to vary. Thank you for all those who shared thier experiences!

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                                                                                                                              #19.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                              {"commentId":2905726,"authorDomain":"jpwaller"}

                                                                                                                              When I was 23 years old, I had major surgery to remove a kidney. When I woke up, I was floating up on the ceiling, above my bed. I could see, hear, think, and I felt like I was wrapped up in love, warmth and felt completely at home. I looked down at my body, which was connected to tubes. My eyes were closed, my mother was reading a letter to me and trying to talk me into waking up. I tried to tell her that I was fine and not to wake me up. My mom didn't hear me, but I kept trying, wanting her to look up at the real me. I did not have word sounds, just my thoughts to talk to her. The room was a brilliant white, very warm, and someone was waiting for me at the end of the room. I knew it was Jesus. I felt like a butterfly who broke out of a constricting cocoon. I understood that God is Love, all LOVE. I was not sad, I was very, very happy to finally come back home. I understood that I could not go, and I would have to return to my body. I knew that I was to have my wedding in 6 weeks, but I was ready for this much better life. I was ME, reborn. I resisted and I tried with all my might to stay up on the ceiling, but I was pulled down, like a hard kite pull, into my body. I felt the pain hit, open my eyes, and yelled at my dear mother, "Why did you wake me up?" Within a few minutes, the pain drugs and anesthesia took hold and my memories from that time on were of pain. When I was better, I told people about my experience, but no one believed me. We were all faithful Christians, regular church attenders, but my family thought I had some weird drug reactions. I did not tell anyone for a long time. This is a precious, personal life changing experience, and I did not want to be ridiculed. Years later, some books came out, and there were others that experienced various levels of "living on the other side of life" . What I know is this: GOD IS LOVE, THERE IS LIFE AFTER LIFE. The reason we are all here in this earth is to love one another, serve God, follow Him, and be His feet, hands and voice. There will be many people who are not capable of believing this story, but ask yourself, what if this really is true? What if there is a God? What if there is life after life? I get a chuckle when I listen to people discussing that they have faith and that they believe in God; the difference for me is that I KNOW there is God and I KNOW and I am looking forward to my next life, but my job here is to be the best I can be for God on earth.

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                                                                                                                              Reply#20 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
                                                                                                                              {"commentId":2935319,"authorDomain":"anthonyd28"}

                                                                                                                              Awesome Post! Thank you for sharing, I've never had any NDE's but I did experience something that proved to me God exists! Again Thanks!

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                                                                                                                              #20.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
                                                                                                                              {"commentId":2937650,"authorDomain":"yuhwa1962"}

                                                                                                                              Yes, it's almost impossible to explain that there is God to those who don't know Him unless you personally experience Him and know you will be going either heaven or hell.
                                                                                                                              And I do understand why a lot of people don't understand this and some people laugh about this fact.
                                                                                                                              I know the man from NEWZELAND got stung by jellyfish 5 times and died at the hospital with no vital sign. He wasn't a religeous person at all but he experienced hell first with cold, dark, scary place with evil spirit there and heard voice saying he belongs there and he deserved to be there.
                                                                                                                              And next second, suddenly he found himself to go thru tunnel with bright, beautiful light that he never seen or experience before on this earth.
                                                                                                                              And he felt tremendous warm love shining on him and automatically he knew it was God.
                                                                                                                              When he opened his eyes, he saw man's feet infront of him with white robe and His arms wide open to him.
                                                                                                                              He said he couldn't see the man's face because of the bright, radiant light fuming out of His face and he could feel the warmest love coming out of this Man. He could feel that this Man was love. He started to weep and telling God that He couldn't love him because he had sinned so much and cursed God so many times and sleeping around etc ... And when he said that he felt more love coming out of the Man's body and touched him. God asked him if he wants to go in or wish to return.
                                                                                                                              He told God that he is not married and no children and he has no reason to go back and told Him he wants to go in to paradise.
                                                                                                                              Then he saw his single mom standing and smiling at him. ( his mom was a christian)
                                                                                                                              He couldn't go in leaving his mom alone thinking her son died and went to hell and bury him without knowing her son went to heaven.
                                                                                                                              He told God he wanted to go back and in a second, He fell suddenly from heaven to earth so quick and he woke up in the mortuary.
                                                                                                                              He still trembles when he shares this story and this happened over 20 years ago.

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                                                                                                                              #20.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                              {"commentId":2905895,"authorDomain":"gusbras"}

                                                                                                                              , remembering I had two children to raise, from my marriage that ended in a divorce. I had to fight my way back and, finally, was like being sucked back. It was my body again.

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                                                                                                                                Reply#21 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                {"commentId":2905998,"authorDomain":"duane-4"}

                                                                                                                                Wow I thought Gevin Giorbran was dead. Died in March 2008.

                                                                                                                                Are there two of you? Or was this a mistake?

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                                                                                                                                  Reply#22 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                  {"commentId":2906030,"authorDomain":"paulwalmsley"}

                                                                                                                                  I'm Hugabugs, Englishman's wife...using his computer. No matter how much people try to deny the afterlife, I believe we were created to live forever and that it's our choice whether we live with God or live without God. Nearly every society throughout history, all over the world have believed in an afterlife. It seems absolutely innate in us as humans. Attainment of the afterlife has been the reason for religions throughout history. Several years ago, my daughter was 18 months old. A friend of the family passed away and as I had no one to watch my child for me, I had to take her to the visitation. As we passed by the lady's casket, I tried to shield her, but she was curious. So I let her look rather than cause a scene. She looked quite intently at this friend's face, whom she knew, and said, "Mommy, her real part's gone! Where did it go?" I said, "Her real part doesn't need her body anymore. It went to live in heaven with Jesus. She's happier there because she isn't sick anymore." She just said, "Oh." Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life. I believe that's what everyone here is searching for...the way to heaven, the truth about life and the afterlife, and to live forever. An acquaintance in high school was a real risk-taker, driving dangerously, doing motorcycle stunts, etc. He was in a bad car accident and was clinically dead for awhile before he was revived. He was completely changed. I asked him what was different. He said, "Well, let me put it this way. I'm not afraid to die anymore, but this life is a gift and I plan to use it." He wouldn't elaborate anymore, but he had a profoundly life-altering experience. Jesus is the answer.

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                                                                                                                                  Reply#23 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                  {"commentId":2906134,"authorDomain":"will-5"}

                                                                                                                                  Consciousness is the creator creating the creation and all of the above. It does not cease upon physical death because it underlies and creates the physical. A portion of the conscious spectrum is gone, i.e. your body & your life, but the mind, its personality and all it has experienced continues in more subtle realms.

                                                                                                                                  You want proof of life after death? You go to school for years and years and years to get educated and secure the perfect job but won't spend a solid month confirming the existance of the other realms or even a few weeks seriously contemplating the possiblity.

                                                                                                                                  It's there, it's been explored, it's been studied. It is subjective and until you begin to entertain the possibility, it is impossible to know the truth until death (or NDE/OBE).

                                                                                                                                  One month of serious contemplation and you will know.

                                                                                                                                  oneplanetonelife.com

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#24 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2916483,"authorDomain":"zaliasvejas"}

                                                                                                                                    Well said!
                                                                                                                                    That's an eye opener!

                                                                                                                                    I have been interested in Buddhism for a while, and I am at a nihilistic stage at this point. To me death is simply end of awareness, but what you are saying makes sense... I will ponder about it, as you suggest.

                                                                                                                                    Thanks

                                                                                                                                    By the way, I also had a near death experience, if it can be so called. The difference being that I was never near death nor was I aware of any danger. It happened in my late teens, I was skiing at night early in the season and took a spill. While sliding down the trail, enveloped in a fog of snow, I fell off a decent cliff. I never saw it coming, was not injured in any way, but suddenly I was surrounded by bright, warm light. I did not physically see it, I sensed it with my back.... Also, I felt a presence of a person, old but familiar, who projected a powerful feeling of care and love. I realized that this person was there always, but only at that moment I was able to sense it. I fell of a 25' cliff, onto the rocks below. I was banged up, but unhurt and continued skiing for the rest of the night. I was in danger, but my brain did not know it so I had now fear before I had this experience. I don't think my brain compensated for anything, as some people claim. I was not injured, yet I feel that my experience was similar to the ones described in this blog. Great discussion!

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                                                                                                                                    #24.1 - Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2997584,"authorDomain":"carolynp23"}

                                                                                                                                    Akmuo,

                                                                                                                                    That person who you became aware of was Jesus Christ. So why be interested in Buddhism? Why think death is an end to awareness? In fact, there is no death...After you leave your body, you become more keenly aware of everything tenfold. God has given you an opportunity to become a good Christian before you die. I suggest you go to your library and check out the book Return from Tomorrow by George G, Ritchie Jr. This tells the story of a man who died and was shown an afterlife by Jesus. He learned how critical love is in this world and why everyone needs to project only love. Also, he learned that once you "die," you analyze what you have done with your life. At that point, nothing material matters, nor do awards and achievments mean as much as they do on earth. On the contrary, one takes pride in how much love and compassion they showed and took action in on earth. God Bless.

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                                                                                                                                    #24.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:56 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2906147,"authorDomain":"twthorne"}

                                                                                                                                    Gevin - I've read your stuff and I congratulate you on your work. I know you're familiar with the Buddhist cosmology, and the similarities between the quantum view and Buddhist philosophy is strong and getting stronger.

                                                                                                                                    The concept of Emptiness and Awareness along with the co-dependent appearance of phenomena is the view of the Middle Way, best extrapolated by Nagarjuna in the 3rd century. Our most contemporary proponent of this view is of course the Dalai Lama.

                                                                                                                                    The cosmos is ever-cycling and ever-changing from instant to instant. The moment of Enlightenment freezes all activity forever in perpetual stillness, and yet the universe goes on. As Huang Po says, nothing is real, and nothing is really in motion. As Einstein says, time and space always appear together as necessary compliments, and yet time remains an illusion.

                                                                                                                                    It is weird that he never got the quantum view of uncertainty and non-locality.....attempting to disprove it (and failing) became his primary pursuit in his later years. He was in the end a dedicated materialist! Like trying to grab a ball covered in bear grease - it can't be done.

                                                                                                                                    While there are many worlds, there are probably not many universes. How would consciousness perpetuate itself in an infinite number of parallel worlds without knowing?

                                                                                                                                    Hopefully your view is similar to David Bohm's view - the infinity of the Implicate Order (quantum vacuum, zero point field?) manifests in the explicate order through holographic projections, thus creating our manifest material reality.

                                                                                                                                    Consciousness is always the eternal & inseparable catalyst for all manifestations. He was quite an admirer and close friend of Krishnamurti, as you may know.

                                                                                                                                    I doubt if ZBOB is really plagiarizing your stuff - I think he is more Zen than not.

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#25 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                    {"commentId":2906390,"authorDomain":"zbob"}

                                                                                                                                    Thank you perspective for your insights and your integration of modern theoretical physics and Buddhism. And I am a practitioner of zazen and I am also a huge fan of David Bohm's "Wholeness and the Implicate Order"--amazing ideas. And if you look at my response to "Gevin Giorbran" (who died a few months ago) you will see that I am not trying to plagiarize anyone but I am only interested in spreading these beautiful ideas so that more people will find peace in every moment and live every day without fear, anxiety and attachment. Peace

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                                                                                                                                    #25.1 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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